November 19th HPDE on the Jefferson registration OPEN AS OF NOW!!!

[wazzzup]

Ok boys & girls! The 2nd NVCC HPDE (High Performance Drivers Education) school That will be held on the Jefferson track at Summit Point on Saturday November 19th will be officially opening for registraion on Thursday, September 1st! This class is going to be open to all drivers so when the slots fill up that's all there is!

The registration forms and Tech forms will be posted on the events page.

Registration forms (http://www.nvcorvetteclub.com/nvcc/events/eventView.do?mode=view&id=178)

If you are registering as a driver, or an instructor you MUST fill out a registration form. You must also pre tech your car. If it is not pre teched you will not be allowed in the tech line!

So let's get ready to drive safe and fast! [;)]

Registrations that have been recieved so far with payment for drivers:
NOVICE
George Kerns
Dan Kinney
Jeff Hubbart
Philip Squires
Ari Morin
Daniel Freeman
Phillip Somersall
Micheal Prevatt
James Harris
Charles Popenoe
Barry Reichenbaugh

INTERMEDIATE
Curtis Judge
Dennis Morin
James Anderson *

ADVANCED

INSTRUCTOR
Mike Sarver
Jim Beaupre
Jack McAfee
Mike Woods
Andrej Balanc
Ralph Watts
Dave Rankin
Miriam Schottland
Jim Roberts

[LilRedCorvette]

I'm so there, dude! *thumbs up*

[Black396]

George you and I need to get together this week. Miriam wants to go over the Log Books and some other things.

[CHJ]

Fingers anxiously clutching pen to write check and mail it out along with registration forms. Why wait till the first, post the forms NOW !!!! I'm ready to go for another one. I broke down and purchsed a neck brace fron OQ Racing as my neck was stiff for several days after the last event. Can you tell us what the cost on this one will be ? Which direction will we be running ??

[Black396]

Fingers anxiously clutching pen to write check and mail it out along with registration forms. Why wait till the first, post the forms NOW !!!! I'm ready to go for another one. I broke down and purchsed a neck brace fron OQ Racing as my neck was stiff for several days after the last event. Can you tell us what the cost on this one will be ? Which direction will we be running ??

Cost will be the same as the last one. We will be running clockwise this time. Should be as much fun as the last time. Hopefully it won't be quite as hectic for the instructors. I swear I ran into myself getting out of one car and into the next one. [:))]

[z06racing]

I swear I ran into myself getting out of one car and into the next one. [:))] And did you shake hands too MIKE? [:))] Who beat who?

On a serious note: here is something us RCD's are discussing next month in ST LOUIS- where I will be bandwagoning this HPDE... It involves a fatality at a WATKINS GLEN Driving School.

We all think we are safe driving at 150mph and we are relying on goverment crash tests of 35-65mph... lots of things happen MORE when speed increases.

As NCCC gets more involved in these driving schools...they will begin to clamp down on the exposure to liabilities.

Read this: WATKINS DEATH (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1151012&highlight=watkins+glen&fo rum_id=23)

We must promote SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY.....and park the EGO's in the lot!

I just ran POCONO this weekend in the rain, and a few cars had OFF TRACK excursions....however most checked up and kept level headed.

Bottom line: This is NOT the SPOOK where the FTD eludes us all, this is a "driving school" and we need to promote it as such- no winners no trophies, just a chance to LEARN.... [=D>]

[wazzzup]

Thanks Brian! More will come out about that soon! [B-)]

Registration is being held tell the 1st because of Spook registration, and we don't want any confusion on either end. This is a real busy time of year for some of us and we are being careful. I will have Mike or Brad post them early this week for everyone. [:)]

[janderson]

We must promote SAFETY SAFETY SAFETY.....and park the EGO's in the lot!

I just ran POCONO this weekend in the rain, and a few cars had OFF TRACK excursions....however most checked up and kept level headed.

Bottom line: This is NOT the SPOOK where the FTD eludes us all, this is a "driving school" and we need to promote it as such- no winners no trophies, just a chance to LEARN.... [=D>]

I agree, we have to make sure the drivers understand and act like this is a "SCHOOL" it is not a "RACE".

My first HPDE my instructor told me I could go solo the last two sessions on the last day. I told him I wasn't comfortable with that, needed him to help me with a little more consistency. I did solo the last session, it was 25 min. I came off the track after almost 20 cause I was feeling whipped. I know I did the right thing, I'll find out this weekend how much I remember. My goal is to get to HPDE 2, but I'm not going to kill myself or drive stupid to get there.

I think thats the kind of attitude Brian is talking about and its the kind of attitude we need to constantly reinforce in the school.

[LilRedCorvette]

Agree with all that has been said.

I will say that at the WGI HPDE I attended, some of the Group 2 people were letting their egos get the best of them. Some bad passing done by those folks...cutting people off, etc. I know it wasn't just me thinking it when my instructor said the same thing out loud during the session.

Bad things can happen anytime to anyone. Evident again when a fairly experienced driver totalled his car on the same track on what were the easiest turns of the whole circuit.

What we do is very dangerous and people need to be gently reminded of that fact each time they leave the grid.

[z06racing]

What we do is very dangerous and people need to be gently reminded of that fact each time they leave the grid.

I hate to look into the future--- but I can see NCCC looking at this and mandating some things for us to hold these events..

More safety devices for all cars... ie: harness bars; 4 or 5 point harnesses; HANS type devices... This will make for a lengthy RCD meeting for sure...

If anyone has suggestions for me to bring to the committee, please let me know before next thurs...I leave friday the 9th....

[Black396]

If anyone has suggestions for me to bring to the committee, please let me know before next thurs...I leave friday the 9th....


I've got a couple...
a couple of comments and a suggestion.

The subject of that thread has been discussed long and hard on a number of boards. Most of the comments have been meaningless chatter. I'm not sure when the incident occured but that thread was posted on the 1st of Aug and 30 days later I have yet to see anything about what caused the incident or the cause of death.

I see a lot of people posting about requiring a "Hans" type device. From what I can tell no one has determined what the cause of death was. It could have just as easily been a heart attack. If so, are we going to require everyone participating in a HPDE to obtain a phsysican's permission each time before they go on track?

My suggestion for the RCD is to slow down and do some research on this before jumping on the 'Chicken Little' bandwagon and going 'Boldly where no man has gone before'.

I don't know what the answer is. I'm not even sure that I know what the question is. I do believe that requiring 5 pt harnesses, rollbars and Hans devices is NOT the answer. (rollbars would have to be mandatory if harnesses are required.)

[wazzzup]

What we do is very dangerous and people need to be gently reminded of that fact each time they leave the grid.

I hate to look into the future--- but I can see NCCC looking at this and mandating some things for us to hold these events..

More safety devices for all cars... ie: harness bars; 4 or 5 point harnesses; HANS type devices... This will make for a lengthy RCD meeting for sure...

If anyone has suggestions for me to bring to the committee, please let me know before next thurs...I leave friday the 9th....

The first thing I would like to see is NCCC get rid of the "M" rated helmet! Why buy a fire suit, race shoes, and gloves then compliment them with a motorcycle helmet that's not fire rated? It's beyond me.

[CHJ]

I agree with many of the previous posts. It is a DE event and not a race. To require a full roll cage and 5 point harness will exclude the majoirity of participants. My Vette is an every day driver, and those type of mods are not even on the horizon. IMHO the sanest way to go would to be to follow the NCCC high speed regulations currently in effect. Base the requirements on the mods / classification that a car has. Enforce the safety regs strictly, and black flag violators.

[Black396]

George has a very good point with the M helmets.

I would like to see two things.

1. No harnesses with a harness bar at HPDEs or High Speed autocrosses.

2. Adding a section to the NCCC rule book that specifically addresses HPDEs. These aren't autocrosses or drag races and the safety requirements and procedures shouldn't be the same. These aren't races or competition so they don't need 100 pages dealing with what is legal for each class.

[z06racing]

George, thought M class & Snell rated helmets were both fire rated?

MIKE... agreed on the harness bars... they are almost worthless....and you can bet we (NCCC) will be adding a Driving School section... real soon. And if we cannot adopy some sort of policy next week, you may find that we ban driving schools til we do. Can you fathom the liability on such an incident? Waivers wont mean squat....someone's butt is in trouble.

As for the incident, I only read what you read, it appeared his helemt was half off from impact...now did that happen after the heart attack? We can only guess....

CURTIS: I know what you are saying.... about daily drivers and tho mods not on your horizon--- however, do you think the guy at WG thought that way too? Now where is he? Not to be rude, but if you wanna play, perhaps you gotta pay..

High Speed rules are pretty vague... for most entrants... a mounted fire extinguisher and long sleeve shirts? [#-o] Whats that gonna do for you?

[Black396]

To require a full roll cage and 5 point harness will exclude the majoirity of participants. My Vette is an every day driver, and those type of mods are not even on the horizon. IMHO the sanest way to go would to be to follow the NCCC high speed regulations currently in effect. Base the requirements on the mods / classification that a car has. Enforce the safety regs strictly, and black flag violators.


Curtis has a very valid point about the rollbar.

I think the 'classing' process should be removed as far as possible from the HPDEs. The current NCCC way of classing cars implies competition. It would also keep a number of people from participating. "I'm not going to turn my car into a full track car simply because I have <insert from list> (drilled rotors, turbo charger, supercharger)"

I would prefer an 'equipment by run group' before an 'equipment by mod' philosphy.

[wazzzup]

People, keep in mind that this IS a driving school. NOT a timed racing event! People that come out to these schools don't always go to the races/autocrosses. With that being said there are a few safety items that need addressed. We have a commity of people that are working very hard to keep our events safe, and fun. We understand that there are people that bring their daily drivers to these events and that is a good thing! We are trying to educate people on how to properly handle their cars at higher speeds than normal, and not how to race them. There are RACING SCHOOLS for that purpose. We are currently working on a sensible foundation for rules on our HPDE events. DO NOT jump to any conclusions concerning the rules!

Our standards have been very important to setting up these events, and we have some great people combining their imput in this process.

Brian, If NCCC thinks about setting a set of standards for HPDE events I along with several others in the club would like to be involved with this process and be able to have/give imput to this process.

I think that anyone that attended our last HPDE will agree that we kept it very safe for everyone. Yes, there are some improvements that are being implimented to make it safer for the future. WE WILL NOT jump the gun on any discision until it is properly researched first. PERIOD!

[wazzzup]

George, thought M class & Snell rated helmets were both fire rated?

MIKE... agreed on the harness bars... they are almost worthless....and you can bet we (NCCC) will be adding a Driving School section... real soon. And if we cannot adopy some sort of policy next week, you may find that we ban driving schools til we do. Can you fathom the liability on such an incident? Waivers wont mean squat....someone's butt is in trouble.

As for the incident, I only read what you read, it appeared his helemt was half off from impact...now did that happen after the heart attack? We can only guess....

CURTIS: I know what you are saying.... about daily drivers and tho mods not on your horizon--- however, do you think the guy at WG thought that way too? Now where is he? Not to be rude, but if you wanna play, perhaps you gotta pay..

High Speed rules are pretty vague... for most entrants... a mounted fire extinguisher and long sleeve shirts? [#-o] Whats that gonna do for you?

Brian,

Banning driving schools is a very, very bad idea especially when registration is open for them already! Maybe the board needs to attend one of our schools before any descisions like that are made.

M class helmets are not lined with NOMEX. There are actually places that will convert them for around $100.

[urtoslo]

I've been instructing for several years now. I appreciate the roll bars and harnesses for the passenger side of the car whenever that happens, which is not often. When ever I get into a car with some one that is advanced (but not signed off) and I see that he/she is ready to move up, and they still only have a three point seatbelt for restraint, I make a strong suggestion that they upgrade ASAP. I make the same suggestion to the rookies that are born naturals, and there a few of those out there too. I don't get back in one of those cars (at a FATT, anyway) later in the day either.

Maybe having a convertible got me into a roll bar/harnesses sooner (like right away) than if I had had only a coupe. Too many people go too long without proper safety gear and maybe we need to make it an issue up front. It's not that expensive and could be the first item purchased for a track car, instead of engine mods...

I bought a HANS device this year and use it when ever I have the harnesses to support it. It's good stuff.

[z06racing]

George.... I am not in favor of banning these events- I promoted them for High Speed Licenses in lieu of the 10 low speed joke we currently have. Nobody is a bigger proponent of them than me.

And also agree that these are "drving schools" not "racing schools" ---however, in the heat of the moment, when you see a white car with a red stripe in your mirror [:O] ; you may try to go a tad faster to elude it....now is that driving or racing?

I will let everyone know what the outcome is in ST LOUIS and maybe you can come along to the next meeting in NOV.

Andrej's point is where we are headed tho.. Safety....

My very first thing I did to the Z06 was my Rippie Roll Bar... the car was plenty fast enough and I cherish my noggin too much to NOT have roll over protection. And for a daily driver, you will get much kudos from passersby, saying "OOOOOOOH that must be a fast car! Look at the roll bar!!" I think I picked up at least 35hp by putting it in.

MIKE: I doubt you will see the classes dribble over to the HPDE's... Its totally on the driver's ability. Then it comes back to-- is the car safe? Is the driver safe in the car? Are the other cars safe around this car? Maybe, to keep the throttle down, and to enforce a "driving school, not a racing school", we may need a radar gun and set a top speed limit...Just a rambling thought...

If the entrants never know who is being tracked for speed, everyone should simmer down and learn to drive.

[CHJ]

Brian-- A further question. If the HPDE events were to require a roll bar and harnesses, should that requirement not flow over to ALL classifications in an NCCC high speed event ? Right now I can race balls to the wall in a high speed event without a roll bar or harnesses. If that change happened, I feel certain that a large % of the attendance in such events would go away probably killing most of them.
Could you give us some info about your roll cage. Where acquired, how much, how easy to install ? I do see the benefit of the safety equipment and this discussion has me thinking seriously about an install. - You only go around once, and I want to make it last as long as possible.

[z06racing]

If the HPDE events were to require a roll bar and harnesses, should that requirement not flow over to ALL classifications in an NCCC high speed event ? Could you give us some info about your roll cage. Where acquired, how much, how easy to install ? I do see the benefit of the safety equipment and this discussion has me thinking seriously about an install. - You only go around once, and I want to make it last as long as possible.

CURTIS: you bring up another interesting point. You refer to all classifications as we have in competition...however we set up HPDE's based on driver experience. BUT you also said Right now I can race balls to the wall in a high speed event without a roll bar or harnesses SO that makes one think that perhaps a high speed event may be even more suitable for these safety items..Could these flow over to competition events? Maybe. Would this be wrong? Maybe.

As for my roll bar, (not a roll cage) it is from DOUG RIPPIE (http://www.dougrippie.com/) I bought it back in 2001, a month after buying my car. It was about $500 in bare steel; $150 for powder coating locally here in PA; and $150 for a local shop to weld it in. Harnesses are avail from lots of racing supply companies..

I am sorry to stir up such a bees nest here. I am only telling everyone what MAY happen. Maybe we should just wait til after the national meeting. [#-o]

[wazzzup]

Actually Brian you are asking questions that we have been pondering over the last couple of months. From the first meeting that we had we have always been safety first.

As far as a bees nest is concerned, we stir them up all the time. [:D] When we do things, and set rules it is for a reason. We know that there is always going to be someone that isn't happy, but that's life, and it's for their safety. November sounds pretty interesting. I'll have to think about it. (When in November?)

Curtis, get a hold of Woodsie. He just had his done local, and they did a fantastic job at putting it in. It almost looks factory.

[wazzzup]

Ding, Ding, Ding!!! We have a winner! The first person to register for the November 19th HPDE is................................. (ME!) [:D] [:D] [:D] [:D]

[Black396]

Ding, Ding, Ding!!! We have a winner! The first person to register for the November 19th HPDE is................................. (ME!) [:D] [:D] [:D] [:D]


YOU don't COUNT! [:p]

You didn't have to mail your application. [:p] [:p] [:p] [:p]

[wazzzup]

Ding, Ding, Ding!!! We have a winner! The first person to register for the November 19th HPDE is................................. (ME!) [:D] [:D] [:D] [:D]


YOU don't COUNT! [:p]

You didn't have to mail your application. [:p] [:p] [:p] [:p]

That's what made it so hard! [:p] [:))] [:D]

[z06racing]

there is always going to be someone that isn't happy, but that's life, and it's for their safety. November sounds pretty interesting. I'll have to think about it. (When in November?)

George, RCD meeting is friday 11-11; we would need to be there by 3-4pm latest. I have given up on driving with the gouging of gas prices.. and I HATE to fly, but its the only logical way to go.

Then the national governor meeting is sat 1pm.. and we are outta there by 5pm and eastbound.

I just got an email from an RCD who read the WG incident. BOY this meeting is gonna be interesting.. [:(]

And pleasing everyone is impossible for sure. More to come.... [:p]

[Black396]

That has an ominous sound to it...

It may be time to buy the P car after all [>:)]

[z06racing]

That has an ominous sound to it...It may be time to buy the P car after all [>:)]


[:-?]

PEE CAR? [:D] what did I miss?

[wazzzup]

That has an ominous sound to it...It may be time to buy the P car after all [>:)]


[:-?]

PEE CAR? [:D] what did I miss?

PORSCHE [:-&] [:-&] [:-&] [:-&]

[Black396]

That has an ominous sound to it...It may be time to buy the P car after all [>:)]


[:-?]

PEE CAR? [:D] what did I miss?

Porsche [:))]

http://photos2.ebizautos.com/366/737547_7.jpg

[wazzzup]

That has an ominous sound to it...It may be time to buy the P car after all [>:)]


[:-?]

PEE CAR? [:D] what did I miss?

Porsche [:))]

http://photos2.ebizautos.com/366/737547_7.jpg

$150,000.00 GT3 [:))] [:))] [:))]

[wazzzup]

And they go good in the P gravel too!!! [:))] [:))]

[z06racing]

Porsche

AHHHHH.... THAT "P" car.... [:))]

I found a gutted out twin turbo 1800 lb "P" car at POCONO who came up to me and said he never met a C5 he couldnt dust off......until he met me. [:O]


I replied, "Glad to meet ya!" [>:D<]

[Black396]

$150,000.00 GT3 [:))] [:))] [:))]

Nah, this one is used. You can actually get it cheaper than a C6 Z06 (after the G&^&*%%$! Dealer Markups!).

[Black396]

Porsche

AHHHHH.... THAT "P" car.... [:))]

I found a gutted out twin turbo 1800 lb "P" car at POCONO who came up to me and said he never met a C5 he couldnt dust off......until he met me. [:O]


I replied, "Glad to meet ya!" [>:D<]

There's a lot of that going around lately. Woodsie was playing with a GT3 at Summit (main) earlier this year.

Of course I'd have to tell the Porsche guy that wasn't such a great feat...

I've dusted a number of C5s with my dilapidated antiquated '86 also. [:D]

[z06racing]

I've dusted a number of C5s with my dilapidated antiquated '86 also. [:D]


WELL I can see there is no modesty in your family..... [:))]

[Black396]

I've dusted a number of C5s with my dilapidated antiquated '86 also. [:D]


WELL I can see there is no modesty in your family..... [:))]

Hey! Just telling it like it is [:D]


course I've been dusted by one or two C5s also (Woodsie being one of them). [:))] [:))]

[CHJ]

Ding, Ding, Ding!!! We have a winner! The first person to register for the November 19th HPDE is................................. (ME!) [:D] [:D] [:D] [:D]
OK MR. Wazzzup--
Seems I asked about starting registration in a much earlier post to this thread, and got told I would have to wait till the first of September. Wazzzup with this ???
Which section on the forum will you post the application forms ? I'm trying to be second. DING DING DING !!!! Anxiously awaiting answer with pen in hand poised over check book.

[Black396]

Hey Curtis [:-$] Check out this page (http://www.nvcorvetteclub.com/nvcc/events/eventView.do;jsessionid=70E8989AF05082E7BA3BC1229B 28DC97?mode=view&id=178) By the time it gets to George via snail mail it will be the 1st of September

[CHJ]

Hi Mike-- thanks for a heads up!! [:D] Sign up and check on the way to George. Since I can't make Spook, it was important to me that I get a spot for this event. Very reasonable price too !!! Looking forward to seeing every one there.

[Black396]

Since I can't make Spook, it was important to me that I get a spot for this event. Very reasonable price too !!! Looking forward to seeing every one there.


I know what you mean. ...the event should be more fun than a barrell of monkeys [:))] and the price can't be beat!

Looking forward to seeing you also. With ODS out of the picture we haven't seen much of you. (I know more pressing things like the wife and the new house also) [B-)] [;)]

You ought to think about doing one of the NASA VIR events with us next year. The first one should be in late Feb and then one or two more through out the year (normally one in July also)

[wazzzup]

Mike, You little instigater! [:))] [:p]

Curtis, I said it OFFICIALLY opens on Thursday. [8-X] I never said anything about unofficially. [:))] Besides, being the chair does have it's atvantages. [:D]

Just kidding. Go ahead and send it in.

[Black396]

Mike, You little instigater! [:))] [:p]

Hey! I'm just trying to help out a friend here! [:))]


besides...





I'm not a LITTLE instigator...












I'm a BIG instigator [:))] [:D] [:))] [:D] [>:)] [:p]

[wazzzup]

And don't forget POST WHORE! [:))] [:p]

[Black396]

And don't forget POST WHORE! [:))] [:p]

Now if that isn't a case of the pot calling the kettle black I don't know what is [:p] [:p]

[:))]


[:-$] [:-$] psssst, I'm just the head post whore [:-$] [:-$] [:p]

[wazzzup]

OK Ladies & Gents! Registration is officially open for the November 19th HPDE on the Jefferson!!! [=D>] [=D>] [=D>] So let's get those registrations flowing in!!! See Ya on the track!

[Black396]

Mine was sent in yesterday.

I'm not sure I'll be able to afford the gas by then though. [:O] [X-(]

[wazzzup]

Mine was sent in yesterday.

I'm not sure I'll be able to afford the gas by then though. [:O] [X-(]

NO SH*T!!! [:O] [:O] [:O] [:O] [:O] [:O]

[LilRedCorvette]

[:-$] [:-$] psssst, I'm just the head post whore [:-$] [:-$] [:p]

I'm apparently second in line...does that make me assistant head post whore? [:))]

[LilRedCorvette]

Mine was sent in yesterday.

I'm not sure I'll be able to afford the gas by then though. [:O] [X-(]

Agreed. Man, the mods are gonna be slow...esp if I get the second vette *willy nilly*

[wazzzup]

[:-$] [:-$] psssst, I'm just the head post whore [:-$] [:-$] [:p]

I'm apparently second in line...does that make me assistant head post whore? [:))]

I'm not even going to touch that one! [:))] [:p] [:D] [8-}] [=:)] [:*]

[Black396]

I'm apparently second in line...does that make me assistant head post whore? [:))]

I'm not even going to touch that one! [:))] [:p] [:D] [8-}] [=:)] [:*]

I hope not. You get in enough trouble [:))]

[wazzzup]

I'm apparently second in line...does that make me assistant head post whore? [:))]

I'm not even going to touch that one! [:))] [:p] [:D] [8-}] [=:)] [:*]

I hope not. You get in enough trouble [:))]

That's Me! TROUBLE!! [:D] [:))] [:p]

[wazzzup]

I've started a list on the front page of this thread as to who I've registrations so far. I will keep the list updated as I recieve registrations. [:)] Have a nice day

[six_speed]

IMO, you are all overlooking the biggest safety factor that we have and that is the instructors and the corner workers.

You can mandate all the safety equipment you want in a car but that is not going to keep someone from killing or injuring themselves on the track.

You are all right in that racing is a very dangerous sport and if we like it or not there is a chance that an accident will occur but mandating, for the most part, safety equipment is not the answer. The answer lies in controlling, to the extent that we can, what happens on the track. We have some control over this in that we can tell the drivers what is acceptable.

So, IMHO, what needs to be examined is the following:

1 - What qualifications are required to be an instructor?

2 - What is acceptable track behavior? In example, when is passing acceptable for a given class?

3 - What are the repercussions of violating a rule?

I truly FEAR the NCCC making mandates on the above given their track record of decisions. (Sorry Brian. I'm not going to get into this now.)

I think that we are all smart people and can hopefully make an informed decision on what needs to be done to insure the safety of our workers and participants

[Black396]

IMO, you are all overlooking the biggest safety factor that we have and that is the instructors and the corner workers.

Not really. This has been a topic of discussion at many of the meetings we have held. One of the reasons for getting the workers from ODS rather than asking for volunteers from the club is the differences between a HPDE and Spook.

With a couple of exceptions the instructors at the last HPDE all are instructors with nationally recognized organizations and have attended some form of training. The few exceptions all have/had days of 'seat time' and could qualify for instructor certification.

1  What qualifications are required to be an instructor?

This will become even more developed as we move forward but Instructors are/will be monitored just as the students are. Each instructor is ultimately responsible for his student(s). If the instructor feels that the student is a danger to himself, the instructor or other participants he can make the student pit.

2  What is acceptable track behavior? In example, when is passing acceptable for a given class?

I believe passing zones were explictly detailed both in the drivers meeting and in the classroom. Other rules and procedures were and are taught during the classroom sessions. Many organizations have a "rules and procedures" guide that is required reading by all participants. We ain't there yet but if we continue to put on these events I'm sure we will develop one.

(care for some light reading, try this one (http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/ccr.pdf) .)

3  What are the repercussions of violating a rule?


Depends on the infraction. It may be the instructor gives you a warning. It may be that the driver is black flagged and required to have a one-on-one with the event director. If the infraction is severe enough the driver can be asked to sit through a "cooling off" period or asked to leave the event.

HPDEs are not something new. NASA, Bill Scott Racing (BSR) other recognised organizations and a number of Mark clubs have been doing this for a number of years. What we are attempting to do is 'borrow' from their experience and incorporate them into what works for us.

Many individuals from within these groups are pressing to have a standardized criteria between the groups.

The points you raised are valid. I'll close with this thought...

There is as much of a difference (more actually) between a track event like a HPDE and a high speed autocross then there is between a high speed autocross and a low speed autocross. Hopefully those individuals that do not have significant experience with these events will listen to those that do before implementing or attempting to mandate any policies or rules.

We are all striving for the safest environment possible.

[wazzzup]

I agree with Mike.

Mike Sarver, Mike Woods, Adrej, Bob Compton, Jim Anderson, Ralph Watts, Miriam Shcotland, and myself have kept safety the #1 priority in this whole thing. We have been working on a set of guidelines for the last several months to set up certain standards for all of those areas.

Mike is also right when he says that we are borrowing some of those standards from other racing organizations to get started. The biggest misconception people get is crossing High speed autocross with High speed driving schools. They are two completely different animals, and need to be treated that way. Standards on cars, driving ability are totaly different.

One of the rules for infractions on the track starting in November will be that if you recieve a black flag YOU will come in to the pits. Wether it is a safety thing, or a "need to be talking to" violation.

[Black396]

The Corvette Club of North East PA has put on a number Driver Schools at Pocono. As a club they have more experience with these events than the NVCC. What we are hoping for is that with Brian's help we can merge their experience with ours and present a prototype or interim set of rules and procedures that can be used by the NCCC at a national level.

Our idea being that if we are proactive in the development and institution of a program like this then we will have a major impact on the development of a nationally acceptable program.

"It is better to lead and perhaps stumble then it is to follow and bitch because you don't like the decisions someone else made."

[Woods977]

Both Paul and Mike S bring up valid points. Although my car is relatively stock. I feel I obtain some pretty high cornering speeds. A harness bar is just not good enough. I have a roll bar not because its required but its safer. Also with regards to instructors, it my job to communicate with the student. If we have a falure to communicate then we pit and communicate outside the car. Which I did at the last NVCC HPDE, my student could not get the last turn, he would not listen to me so we spent a session out of his car and watched the last turn from behind the wall. He wasn't happy at first until he learned why he couldn't get the turn. (it an increasing radius turn meaning it gets sharper)

[six_speed]

I think you both misunderstood my post.

I am not questioning what we have done in the past or what we are going to do in the future.

My main points are:

You can mandate all the safety equipment you want in a car but that is not going to keep someone from killing or injuring themselves on the track.

If we like it or not there is a chance that an accident will occur but mandating, for the most part, safety equipment is not the answer. The answer lies in controlling, to the extent that we can, what happens on the track.

[Black396]

I think you both misunderstood my post.

I am not questioning what we have done in the past or what we are going to do in the future.

My main points are:

You can mandate all the safety equipment you want in a car but that is not going to keep someone from killing or injuring themselves on the track.

If we like it or not there is a chance that an accident will occur but mandating, for the most part, safety equipment is not the answer. The answer lies in controlling, to the extent that we can, what happens on the track.

I think I understood that. I was just trying to say that we are looking at it from both angles.

I think it is a bit like 'eggs and bacon' or 'peanut butter and jelly' or 'Laurel and Hardy', the two compliment each other and while they may be okay by themselves you really need to have them both to make it work.

[c2.washington_]

Maybe I can bring a different viewpoint as I've not attended an HPDE event yet, but am preparing my car with the appropriate safety equipment to attend the November class. Let me state the obvious. I don't want to die. I'm a firm believer in safety first and I applaud all who promote that point of view. That being said, I've already purchased a fire extinguisher and mount [thanks for the tip on OG Racing, George]. If the rules start mandating roll bars and such (I was told my Z06 didn't need one), that will probably steer me towards autocross and drag events. My car, like many others, is a daily driver and I really don't think I want the interior to reflect a race car environment. Racing with Nomex suits, rated Helmets, neck support, yes. Any additional mods to the car, probably not. I think you may find that viewpoint common amongst people considering involvement in HPDE.

[badaz06]

I think Paul's response was generated more on some of the discussions that have gone on in here. For example, mentioning the use of a Radar gun to keep people under a certain speed. That's a pretty wild idea, IMHO. A corvette hitting 110 in a straightaway is nothing. Taking turns in a Corvette at 70 at times is no big deal. Taking that same turn in a mini-van? Major Kahunas and probably a big deal.

I had a pretty big post originally, just deleted it all. Some advice?

Keep this off the forum. Work amongst yourselves and come up with what you want..what you deem is a good working document. Grab a few outsiders to review what you've written. Include some nay sayers in that group as well....both ultra conservative and ultra liberals, who are going to gripe about the decisions....they'll ask questions and see things from a perspective you guys wont. All your experience can actually work against you, in some respects. It's hard to remember where you started, because you guys are far above where a newbie is.

This will maybe give you some insight into a few things you didn't think of, or remember, as well as help you get a more thorough understanding of your document. Odd as that sounds, knowing a piece of equipment is one thing..having to explain it to someone else in a way they understand actually helps you understand it somewhat better.

[wazzzup]

OK guys, there is a seperate thread for these discussions. This is the thread to post registration for the November event. [;)]

[mufflerbearings]

George,
Count me in for this. I will be sending the check and reg. form in the mail Tuesday. (Novice)

Thanks
Phil Squires

[wazzzup]

Send it to me Man! I'm waiting! I got a couple more today, but I'm at work so I won't know who they are from until I get home tonight.

[mufflerbearings]

I can do this now cause i bought a '98 coupe 6-speed today.

So no more convertible.

SWEET, Time to go racing.

[LilRedCorvette]

I can do this now cause i bought a '98 coupe 6-speed today.

So no more convertible.

SWEET, Time to go racing.

Yep, race on!

You need to update the avatar pic though [;)]

Love the phrase under the avatar *thumbs up*[:))]

[wazzzup]

I can do this now cause i bought a '98 coupe 6-speed today.

So no more convertible.

SWEET, Time to go racing.

Cool! [B-)]

I won't even go to what's under your avatar1 [8-}] [8-}] [8-}]

[wazzzup]

Sorry guys. I have to update the list from here. It will not let you edit after 7 days. [:D]

Registrations that have been recieved so far with payment for drivers:
NOVICE
George Kerns
Dan Kinney
INTERMEDIATE
Curtis Judge
ADVANCED
INSTRUCTOR
Mike Sarver
Jim Beaupre
Jack McAfee
Mike Woods
Andrej Balanc

[wazzzup]

Hey instructors! Fill out your registration forms and get them into me soon! [;)] I talked to Miriam last night, and she's putting out an all call for instructors at the track this week and weekend. Also drivers need to start getting in their registrations also. [;)]

[urtoslo]

I'll get you an instructor form! [B-)]

[JaxVette]

My instructor form is in the mail to you now. - Jack -

[wazzzup]

Thanks Jack. [B-)]Got it!

[wazzzup]

[:D]BUMP! [:D]

[wazzzup]

Registrations that have been recieved so far with payment for drivers:
NOVICE
George Kerns
Dan Kinney
Jeff Hubbart
Philip Squires
Ari Morin

INTERMEDIATE
Curtis Judge
Dennis Morin

ADVANCED

INSTRUCTOR
Mike Sarver
Jim Beaupre
Jack McAfee
Mike Woods
Andrej Balanc
Ralph Watts
David Rankin

Updated list [:)]

[Akcelr8]

Hey instructors! Fill out your registration forms and get them into me soon! [;)] I talked to Miriam last night, and she's putting out an all call for instructors at the track this week and weekend. Also drivers need to start getting in their registrations also. [;)]

I plan to instruct. I'll put my registration in the mail in the morning. --Ralph

[89x2]

What would I need for this event/excercise??

I might bring my one coupe which has Coilover suspension however, if I do not have it back by then, I would more than likely bring my convertible w/ fixed hardtop (factory - bolt in) w/ Coilover suspension.

Either car is on street tires, not DOT gumballs

Coupe is automatic, Vert is a 6 spd - both have been throughly gone over recently but I am not sure what else besides an accessible fire extinguisher I would need to have or wear to participate...

Thanks in advance [B-)]

[Black396]

What would I need for this event/excercise??

I might bring my one coupe which has Coilover suspension however, if I do not have it back by then, I would more than likely bring my convertible w/ fixed hardtop (factory - bolt in) w/ Coilover suspension.


Clothing is long sleeve shirt, pants (no shorts) and closed toe shoes.

Fire extinguisher and a SNELL SA (automotive) 2000 or newer helmet for either of the cars. The 'vert requires a rollbar.

The car must also pass a tech inspection. We are hoping to arrange another shop night at Koon's prior to the HPDE to pre-tech the vehicles. There will be a shop night on the 28th of September to pre-tech cars for Spooktacular if you wanted to bring one by to see what is looked at.

[89x2]

What would I need for this event/excercise??

I might bring my one coupe which has Coilover suspension however, if I do not have it back by then, I would more than likely bring my convertible w/ fixed hardtop (factory - bolt in) w/ Coilover suspension.


Clothing is long sleeve shirt, pants (no shorts) and closed toe shoes.

Fire extinguisher and a SNELL SA (automotive) 2000 or newer helmet for either of the cars. The 'vert requires a rollbar.

The car must also pass a tech inspection. We are hoping to arrange another shop night at Koon's prior to the HPDE to pre-tech the vehicles. There will be a shop night on the 28th of September to pre-tech cars for Spooktacular if you wanted to bring one by to see what is looked at.


Unfortunately, I will not have either car back until mid-Oct. at the earliest...

I know the Vert was autox'd before - must have been low speed??? With the hardtop bolted in place @ 6 points, I was not aware I would need a roll bar - I am out then with that car [:(]

I have a Snell 85 or 90 helmet, but you are saying that is no good anymore??

Thanks again!

[Black396]

I know the Vert was autox'd before - must have been low speed??? Must have been.
With the hardtop bolted in place @ 6 points, I was not aware I would need a roll bar - I am out then with that car [:(] The NCCC rule book doesn't make any allowances for the hardtop and we need to comply with that for our insurance to be valid.
I have a Snell 85 or 90 helmet, but you are saying that is no good anymore??Correct, 90 and prior helmets have been 'out' for at least five years and the last of the 95s will be 'out' in October.

[89x2]

...is the fixed (bolted in 6 places) factory hardtop something you could check / ask about for me - I'd be interested in doing this however, I am not going to chop in a rollbar... [:(]

Thanks - I appreciate it!

p.s. New helmet, no prob. - consider it done [>:)]

[Black396]

Sure, I can ask Brian Gallagher (RCD for our region). In fact he checks out the forum here quite often, so he may reply directly.

I can definitely understand you not wanting to chop the car to put a rollbar in.

[urtoslo]

All convertibles need a 4 point bolted-in or welded-in roll bar. The roll bar must have the supports attach no less than 6 inches from the top of the main bar. There are also thickness requirements. Sorry, the little hoop thingies that S2000 and 350Z convertibles etc have, as well as your hardtop, don't count as roll bars.

Bring the coupe if you don't want to install a roll bar in the convertible. Or rent a Mustang!

I personally think a roll bar adds a certain character/purpose to the car, as opposed to just chopping it up. [:D] [;)] [B-)]

[wazzzup]

Thanks Andrej. [;)]

[LilRedCorvette]

I personally think a roll bar adds a certain character/purpose to the car, as opposed to just chopping it up. [:D] [;)] [B-)]

I can see that view, but I also understand him not wanting to put a rollbar into the Callaway. I'll try to coax him into bringing a coupe. [;)]

[urtoslo]

I personally think a roll bar adds a certain character/purpose to the car, as opposed to just chopping it up. [:D] [;)] [B-)]

I can see that view, but I also understand him not wanting to put a rollbar into the Callaway. I'll try to coax him into bringing a coupe. [;)]

It's definitely not for everybody (putting in a roll bar). I still remember vividly the day my deck got cut!

[z06racing]

Sure, I can ask Brian Gallagher (RCD for our region).

ANDREJ'S reply is THE answer... All convertibles need a 4 point bolted-in or welded-in roll bar

For now: that and all entries needing mounted fire extinguishers is all you need; besides of course a "high speed" license; or if NON NCCC; proof of an HPDE or equivilent. Speaking of which- I have the results of the JUNE HPDE and will write up licenses and hand them to Andrej at the SEPT 24th Regional Governors meeting in Carilisle.

Nothing was decided at the National Meeting regarding the incident at Watkins. SO its just as its been, for now- the jury is still out. OUR school however is IN! [=D>]

[Black396]

Hey Brian,

Did you really mean that he needed a NCCC high speed license (or the equivalent) to attend our HPDE school? [;)]

I thought that was why were holding the HPDEs. [:(]

[urtoslo]

Hey Brian,

Did you really mean that he needed a NCCC high speed license (or the equivalent) to attend our HPDE school? [;)]

I thought that was why were holding the HPDEs. [:(]

He probably meant needing a license for Spook.... You earn the licenses at the HPDE...

[z06racing]

Hey Brian,

Did you really mean that he needed a NCCC high speed license (or the equivalent) to attend our HPDE school? [;)]

I thought that was why were holding the HPDEs. [:(]

He probably meant needing a license for Spook.... You earn the licenses at the HPDE...

WHAT DREJ SAID.... [#-o]

[wazzzup]

Brian, are you going to instruct in November? I am getting the list together.

[89x2]

...that's a bummer on the requierment for the rollbar in a hardtop equipped convertible [:(]

I am not certain my coupe will be ready in time, so at this point, I cannot say yes for sure [:(]


I don't mean to seem like I am splitting hairs here, but why wouldn't a bolt-in hard-top vert meet the same standards as a bolt in targa top C4 [:-/]

Thanks! [B-)]

[Black396]

I don't mean to seem like I am splitting hairs here, but why wouldn't a bolt-in hard-top vert meet the same standards as a bolt in targa top C4 [:-/]

Thanks! [B-)]

My guess is that it isn't the top so much as it is the support provided by the hoop built into the B-pillars on the coupe versus the lack of support provided by the hardtop.

All most all of the organizations that host HPDEs or DEs require a minimum of a rollbar for 'verts.

[89x2]

I don't mean to seem like I am splitting hairs here, but why wouldn't a bolt-in hard-top vert meet the same standards as a bolt in targa top C4 [:-/]

Thanks! [B-)]

My guess is that it isn't the top so much as it is the support provided by the hoop built into the B-pillars on the coupe versus the lack of support provided by the hardtop.

All most all of the organizations that host HPDEs or DEs require a minimum of a rollbar for 'verts.


...right, however - the C4 factory hardtop mounts in 3 places (bolts in) and really makes the car rigid - I would actually say it is slightly more rigid than my coupe - but it also benefits from the x-brace underneath, factory.

...the hardtop uses the same front fastners of the targa top and then there are two bolts at the rear @ the decklid. It also has a rather thick mounting bracket on each side in the center which does have a hoop that runs up over and throughout the top - it is more than just a fiberglass cap...

Again, I do not want to seem like I am splitting hairs here - I guess I am just of the opinion that the rule as initerpreted, does not take the above into (deep) consideration.


At any rate, if the decision changes, I am in - thanks! [B-)]

[mufflerbearings]

I AM IN FOR THE HPDE, TIME TO RACE!!!!!

[wazzzup]

List updated [:)]

[z06racing]

Brian, are you going to instruct in November? I am getting the list together.

George... I am not sure I can make this one.. Will have to let ya know as it gets closer. sorry... B

[wazzzup]

That's cool Brian. [;)]

I got Dave Rankin's paper today!

[urtoslo]

I don't mean to seem like I am splitting hairs here, but why wouldn't a bolt-in hard-top vert meet the same standards as a bolt in targa top C4 [:-/]

Thanks! [B-)]

My guess is that it isn't the top so much as it is the support provided by the hoop built into the B-pillars on the coupe versus the lack of support provided by the hardtop.

All most all of the organizations that host HPDEs or DEs require a minimum of a rollbar for 'verts.


...right, however - the C4 factory hardtop mounts in 3 places (bolts in) and really makes the car rigid - I would actually say it is slightly more rigid than my coupe - but it also benefits from the x-brace underneath, factory.

...the hardtop uses the same front fastners of the targa top and then there are two bolts at the rear @ the decklid. It also has a rather thick mounting bracket on each side in the center which does have a hoop that runs up over and throughout the top - it is more than just a fiberglass cap...

Again, I do not want to seem like I am splitting hairs here - I guess I am just of the opinion that the rule as initerpreted, does not take the above into (deep) consideration.


At any rate, if the decision changes, I am in - thanks! [B-)]

The frame of the coupe has continuous metal from the floor to the top of the passenger compartment along the B pillar. You've probable seen those frame/engine/suspension Vettes that have no body on them, but if not, you can visualize. The verts don't have that same metal at the b-pillar (frame stops at the top of the door) and the metal in the hardtop is bolted to the rest of the car (three bolts hold two mounting plates to the car and two bolts hold the hard top to the mounting plates).

The verts do have more support material in the back end and they do have the x-brace. Most verts are significantly stiffer that most coupes because of this. That's one reason I have a vert myself.

I've also seen a C4 convertible that flipped over with the softop up. Guess what? The softop frame basically held the car up! However, that accident occured at suburban speeds. Get that baby up to 100mph and the softop frame would collapse, and I would not want to try my luck at 100mph with just the hardtop either. I've also seen pictures of coupes flipped over in high speed accidents, and both the windshield pillar and B pillar collapsed.

You can find organizations and tracks that will allow you to run your car with no roll bar. As a beginner, I've done that. My C4 has a custom 6 point roll bar and a hard top. No way would I track it now without the roll bar and just the hardtop.

NCCC rules (and those other organizations that require roll bars for convertibles) have good reasons for their requirements and there is not going to be any change in this position for NVCC/NCCC. It's nothing personal. You want to run your convertible with us at high speed events, you will put in a rollbar.

And if you run your coupe, and get good at it, you will be putting a rollbar in that one too. No one will require you to do that, but you'll do it on your own. [B-)]

Man, have I always been this long winded??? [:D] [;)]

[wazzzup]

YES!!!!! [:))] [:p] [:D] [:))]

[z06racing]

Man, have I always been this long winded??? [:D] [;)]



BRAVO! [=D>]

[CHJ]

Well Folks-- I was one of the posts that got this whole roll bar situation started. My car is an every day driver, but I plan on attending as many HPDE events as the budget will allow. (Got the freakin bug BAD [:))] ) My 4 point cross braced bar is ordered as are the 5 point harnesses. Note to wife - a fire suit would make a great Xmas presant. [:D] Brians comments really got me to thinking. On some of the faster tracks 130+ is easily possible with the ZO6. Life is too short not to take every precaution necessary. Even though the car is virtually new, mechanical and tire failures do happen.

[Black396]

:thumbsup: Way to go Curtis. [B-)]

Looking forward to seeing you at a number of upcoming HPDEs. [;)]

[z06racing]

Brian's comments really got me to thinking. On some of the faster tracks 130+ is easily possible with the ZO6. Life is too short not to take every precaution necessary. Even though the car is virtually new, mechanical and tire failures do happen.

CURT: First off; thank you. Secondly, you speak very wisely as a mechanical breakdown can happen as you drive off the dealer's lot at 30mph. Thats why there are recalls.

We don't have to speak of gloom and doom, just good ole common sense. You will surely like how the harnesses hold you in place- and you will feel more secure for lack of better words.... congrats! [=D>]

[CHJ]

"You will surely like how the harnesses hold you in place- and you will feel more secure for lack of better words.... congrats! "

Brian I know what you mean. I just finished a two day event on the Shenandoah Circuit at Summit Point. The stock belt system is barely adequate at best. The outside of both knees are bruised from bracing myself against the console and door. My arms are sore from bracing against the steering wheel in the Karussell and hook turns. It will be nice to be able to concentrate on driving and using the butt-o-meter for feedback rather than trying to hold myself in place. Cant wait !! [:D]

[mufflerbearings]

Question,

When I go to "strip" out the car for the track (everything needing to be removed), does this include the 12 disc changer, or no?

Just a question.

Thanks,

[Black396]

Not if it is securly fastened down.

[mufflerbearings]

It was there from stock.... So, I hope the guys in Bowling Green securley fastened it then.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/mufflerbearings/100_0858.jpg

[wazzzup]

You can't listen to music on the track! [:))] Get rid of it! [:D]

Ok Boys and Girls! Lets get those registrations in!

[z06racing]

UHM lets see, 12 disc changer.... 5 lbs.....horsepower to weight ratio being the square root of the driver's weight versus the car's weight.... multiplied by 5.7 liters......after factoring the barometric pressure if its a cooler day.....and adjusting the tire pressure to sea level conditions... I would say ripping it out should make at least a one second difference in times...unless you visited WENDY's for dinner the night before... then... it may be a wash....... [8-}] JMHO...... [:D]

[Black396]

You can't listen to music on the track! [:))]


...and WHY NOT?

I know a couple of people that like to listen to music while cruising around the track. One of them prefers Meat Loaf & Bat Out of Hell [:p]



[:))]

[wazzzup]

Well as good as Bat out of hell is, I don't recomend eating meatloaf while driving! [:p] [:))] [:D]

[Black396]

I don't recomend eating meatloaf while driving! [:p] [:))] [:D]

I agree, a little heavy. I prefer summer sausage, pepper jack cheese and a good wine. [:p]

[wazzzup]

OH!!!! I bet you hold your pinky out while drinking it too... Don't you!!! [:O] [:p] [:D] [:))]

[LilRedCorvette]

Oh good Lord, I think we are officially in the Twilight Zone... [[-(]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lilredcorvette94/thread_direction.gif

[wazzzup]

Hey Mike! I think we past the rest area! [:D] [:))] [:p]

[Black396]

Hey Mike! I think we past the rest area! [:D] [:))] [:p]

Next rest area 192 miles [:))]

[wazzzup]

Knowing Laurie, she'll lock the doors on us! [:))] [:))] [:D]

[z06racing]

we past the rest area


HEY George... I think you PASSED it too!

Please be sure we have the PASTING zones identified for HPDE. [:))]

[wazzzup]

Oops! [:))] [:D] OK Mike! [:))]

[Black396]

we past the rest area


HEY George... I think you PASSED it too!

Please be sure we have the PASTING zones identified for HPDE. [:))]

Good Luck Brian. Maybe he'll pay more attention to you catching his spelling errors than he does to me! [:))] (Sometimes I think he does it on porpoise just to see who will say something. [:-$] )

[z06racing]

[#-o] U meen I fell four that won? [=;]

[wazzzup]

YEPPER!!! [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))]

[wazzzup]

Updated list on page 8. [:)]

[mufflerbearings]

Does anyone know where I would get a fire extinguisher mount for the C6, or if the Brey Krause mount for the C5 will work in my C6.

Thanks,

[Black396]

If you don't get an answer here try the Autocrossing & Roadracing forum on the Corvette Forum (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=23)

There are a number of guys and gals there that I am sure can answer it.

[wazzzup]

Try Breathlessperformance.com . They sell the brackets for the C6. OG racing may also have them. [;)]

[LilRedCorvette]

Does anyone know where I would get a fire extinguisher mount for the C6, or if the Brey Krause mount for the C5 will work in my C6.

Thanks,

I thought you were running your new C5 at HPDE [:-/]

[wazzzup]

He may have a second driver???? (Wife?) [:D]

[LilRedCorvette]

He may have a second driver???? (Wife?) [:D]

I don't see her name on the registration list [:-/]

[wazzzup]

But then again..... I see peoples names on the list, and have no registration too.... [:-"] [:-"] [:-"]

[Black396]

But then again..... I see peoples names on the list, and have no registration too.... [:-"] [:-"] [:-"]


[#-o] I'm not saying a word [:D]

Oh, BTW... we had a good meeting yesterday on the HPDE. Raised some interesting questions and resolved some more items.

[wazzzup]

Yes, a very productive meeting! I'm actually working on some of the stuff here at work today. [:D]

[LilRedCorvette]

But then again..... I see peoples names on the list, and have no registration too.... [:-"] [:-"] [:-"]

Ack, bite me. You'll get my registration with plenty of time to spare. Please remember, I just wrote a very BIG check for the '89...

[Black396]

I just wrote a very BIG check for the '89...

How did I miss that post? [:))]

Congrats! So are you going to run the 89 at the HPDE?

[LilRedCorvette]

I just wrote a very BIG check for the '89...

How did I miss that post? [:))]

Congrats! So are you going to run the 89 at the HPDE?

I didn't post anything yet...was hoping to get a pic of her at her new home before making the 'official' post. [:D]

Not sure that I can get this car track-ready in time for HPDE. I is po. [:(] Prob will finish the season out in LilRed and spend some time and $ over the next several months to do what is necessary to make her safe.

BTW...the guy threw in a free rollbar [B-)] and free Wolf Noah cover. The bar needs to be installed, of course, but how cool is that?!

[Black396]

That's kool! Now unless it already is installed (the welding done) take it to Mitch Piper at Piper Motorsports. You might find it cheaper somewhere else but no one else will do the quality of work that Mitch does. (if you do, the quality of their work will be cheaper also)

[LilRedCorvette]

That's kool! Now unless it already is installed (the welding done) take it to Mitch Piper at Piper Motorsports. You might find it cheaper somewhere else but no one else will do the quality of work that Mitch does. (if you do, the quality of their work will be cheaper also)

It isn't installed in the car hence my comment The bar needs to be installed, of course, but how cool is that?! [:))] [;)]

When I get myself out of the poorhouse, I'll give Mitch a call. Thanks for the referral! [B-)]

[wazzzup]

Laurie, that is way [B-)] ! And no I'm not going to bite you!
I'm actually going out to see Mitch one day this week to price a roll bar for the Z06. I'll see what kind of info I can pick up for ya. [:)] Pretty soon your going to have to get a new house to house all those cars! [:D]

[LilRedCorvette]

Laurie, that is way [B-)] ! And no I'm not going to bite you!
I'm actually going out to see Mitch one day this week to price a roll bar for the Z06. I'll see what kind of info I can pick up for ya. [:)] Pretty soon your going to have to get a new house to house all those cars! [:D]

Thanks [:D]

Pretty soon I'm going to put a sign around my neck that reads 'will work for Corvette parts' [:))]

As far as another place to live...I'll need a bigger garage than house space...frightening. [:O]

[Black396]

It isn't installed in the car hence my comment The bar needs to be installed, of course, but how cool is that?! [:))] [;)]

Didn't know for sure... most people will weld the plates to the frame and bolt the rollbar to the plates. That way when they sell the car they can remove the rollbar.

Hence the comment

Now unless it already is installed (the welding done)

[LilRedCorvette]

He is giving me a rollbar out of another car he sold...it wasn't in the one I bought...hence why I stated it wasn't installed and needs to be [:D]

[wazzzup]

Hopefully he will send a set of plates along with it. Minor details though. Congrats! [=D>]

[LilRedCorvette]

Hopefully he will send a set of plates along with it. Minor details though. Congrats! [=D>]

Probably not. The rollbar is a freebie, so I am not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. I'll just have to take care of that on my end when the time comes and $ permits.

[Black396]

The plates aren't a biggy. Mitch can take care of the plates and the correct bolts (hardness).

[Black396]

Not sure that I can get this car track-ready in time for HPDE. I is po. [:(]

So are you going to bring the '89 to shop night so we can check it out?

[mufflerbearings]

He may have a second driver???? (Wife?) [:D]

That is correct, I will fill out the registration and check in the next couple of days and mail it to you....

Let's see what that C6 can do...

[wazzzup]

[B-)] Good Deal! Glad to have her out there! [;)] [:)]

[LilRedCorvette]

[B-)] Good Deal! Glad to have her out there! [;)] [:)]

Yep...more estrogen on the track...thank God. [:D]

And I know what you guys are gonna say to the above comment...so shuddup in advance [:))]

[LilRedCorvette]

Not sure that I can get this car track-ready in time for HPDE. I is po. [:(]

So are you going to bring the '89 to shop night so we can check it out?

Nope, gonna pre-tech LilRed for Spook. Gotta keep my eye on the ball, folks.

Besides...I can only take this car out during the day [:))]...or I will lose my parking spot for it ('89 has to live on the street) Every night people clamor for spots, and I will be one of them. Hub didn't take too kindly to giving me his spot and parking the BMW on the street. [:(]

You'll get to meet her [:)] She isn't even here yet. I'll letchya know...

[wazzzup]

[B-)] Good Deal! Glad to have her out there! [;)] [:)]

Yep...more estrogen on the track...thank God. [:D]

And I know what you guys are gonna say to the above comment...so shuddup in advance [:))]

How would you say it: Oh dear Lord! That's all we need! ESTROGEN!!! [:))] [:))] [:))]

[Black396]

How would you say it: Oh dear Lord! That's all we need! ESTROGEN!!! [:))] [:))] [:))]

as long as you don't say...

Oh dear Lord! That's what we all need! ESTROGEN!!! [:))] [:))] [:))] [:p]

[LilRedCorvette]

[/:)]

[wazzzup]

How would you say it: Oh dear Lord! That's all we need! ESTROGEN!!! [:))] [:))] [:))]

as long as you don't say...

Oh dear Lord! That's what we all need! ESTROGEN!!! [:))] [:))] [:))] [:p]

That was a good one Mike!!! [:))] [:p] [:))] Glad to see that I'm not the only one on the list! [:))] [:p] [:))]

[wazzzup]

^^^TTT^^^

[wazzzup]

Registrations people! Keep them coming in!! [:D]

[405LS6]

Where can I find the registration form?

[Ebein]

I've dusted a number of C5s with my dilapidated antiquated '86 also. [:D]


Be nice, I resemble that remark

[Black396]

Be nice, I resemble that remark

Sorry Bill [:">] , present company not included. :thumbsup:

[CHJ]

The sign up and tech sheets are on the events calendar - see task bar on the right hand side of home page.
http://www.nvcorvetteclub.com/nvcc/events/eventView.do?mode=view&id=178
Bring it on - the more drivers the more fun !

[wazzzup]

Thanks Curtis! I'm a little slow this morning. [:D] Don't say it Mike! [:))] [:))]

[Black396]

Thanks Curtis! I'm a little slow this morning. [:D] Don't say it Mike! [:))] [:))]

I don't HAVE to, everyone already KNOWS it. [:p] [B-)]

[wazzzup]

Oh, shut up! [:p] [:))] [:D]

[LilRedCorvette]

OK kids, knock it off. Both of ya shuddup! [:))] [:p]

[wazzzup]

Thththththththththth!!!!!! (rasberries) [:p]

[wazzzup]

Registrations that have been recieved so far with payment for drivers:
NOVICE
George Kerns
Dan Kinney
Jeff Hubbart
Philip Squires
Ari Morin
Daniel Freeman

INTERMEDIATE
Curtis Judge
Dennis Morin

ADVANCED

INSTRUCTOR
Mike Sarver
Jim Beaupre
Jack McAfee
Mike Woods
Andrej Balanc
Ralph Watts
David Rankin

Updated list

[c2.washington_]

I guess the ADVANCED people are busy racing... [:D]

[wazzzup]

Let's start getting in these registrations people! [;)]

[mufflerbearings]

George, are there helmets that the wifey can borrow for the HPDE?

Let me know, it would be cool if there are.

Thanks

[wazzzup]

Let me check. If not you can rent one a O.G. Racing for the weekend. Also if you are thinking about a new one you may be able to get a great deal at their side walk sale at the end of the month. [;)] Let me see if we can borrow those that are in the closet though???

[wazzzup]

Registrations that have been recieved so far with payment for drivers:
NOVICE
George Kerns
Dan Kinney
Jeff Hubbart
Philip Squires
Ari Morin
Daniel Freeman
Phillip Somersall
Micheal Prevatt
James Harris

INTERMEDIATE
Curtis Judge
Dennis Morin
James Anderson *

ADVANCED

INSTRUCTOR
Mike Sarver
Jim Beaupre
Jack McAfee
Mike Woods
Andrej Balanc
Ralph Watts
David Rankin
Miriam Schottland
Jim Roberts

Updated list as of 10/07/05

Ok folks! Spook is over, and we need to start getting these registrations in now!

[LilRedCorvette]

Let me see if we can borrow those that are in the closet though???

From what I heard before, the ones in the closet at Summit Point are old (expired) which won't work with the current requirements stated on our HPDE tech sheet. You may want to ask the omniscient Buddha of Racing (aka Sarver) to make sure. [:D]

Best bet probably is to rent one...

[Black396]

Let me see if we can borrow those that are in the closet though???
You may want to ask the omniscient Buddha of Racing (aka Sarver) to make sure. [:D]

Best bet probably is to rent one...

[:-?]

[:-?]

[:-?]

...and the answer is...


I checked out the majority of the helmets in the closet during Spook. All of them have current Snell SA2000 labels on them. As such they meet the requirements for our upcoming HPDE.

[;)]

[LilRedCorvette]

Let me see if we can borrow those that are in the closet though???
You may want to ask the omniscient Buddha of Racing (aka Sarver) to make sure. [:D]

Best bet probably is to rent one...

[:-?]

[:-?]

[:-?]

...and the answer is...


I checked out the majority of the helmets in the closet during Spook. All of them have current Snell SA2000 labels on them. As such they meet the requirements for our upcoming HPDE.

[;)]

Cool...they must have updated them since I was pretty sure that a while ago it was mentioned that they were very old helmets.

[wazzzup]

I looked at them when I was getting one for Erica, and they were all curent.

[wazzzup]

Her's the poop on the helmets. If you don't have a helmet you are going to have to either buy one, or rent one from OG Racing. The ones at the track are not for our use. Sorry guys those are not my rules, they belong to BSR.

[wazzzup]

List updated. [:)]

[wazzzup]

Again! [:)]

[Ebein]

The sign up and tech sheets are on the events calendar - see task bar on the right hand side of home page.
http://www.nvcorvetteclub.com/nvcc/events/eventView.do?mode=view&id=178
Bring it on - the more drivers the more fun !

This link on the first post would be helpful ;)

[Black396]

The sign up and tech sheets are on the events calendar - see task bar on the right hand side of home page.
http://www.nvcorvetteclub.com/nvcc/events/eventView.do?mode=view&id=178
Bring it on - the more drivers the more fun !

This link on the first post would be helpful ;)


Done Deal! [:D] [:))]

[Ebein]

I guess the ADVANCED people are busy racing... [:D]


Actually most of the 'Advanced' People are also instructors
so signed up for those slots instead ( free, but they'll have
to work thier butts off riding with the rest of us ).

[wazzzup]

Does that mean you are coming out to play Bill? [:-/] [:D]

[wazzzup]

Registrations that have been recieved so far with payment for drivers:
NOVICE
George Kerns
Dan Kinney
Jeff Hubbart
Philip Squires
Ari Morin
Daniel Freeman
Phillip Somersall
Micheal Prevatt
James Harris
Charles Popenoe
Barry Reichenbaugh
Laurie Kistner

INTERMEDIATE
Curtis Judge
Dennis Morin
James Anderson *

ADVANCED

INSTRUCTOR
Mike Sarver
Jim Beaupre
Jack McAfee
Mike Woods
Andrej Balanc
Ralph Watts
David Rankin
Miriam Schottland
Jim Roberts

Updated list as of 10/13/05

Ok folks! Spook is over, and we need to start getting these registrations in now! [:)] [:D] [;)]

[AlohaC5]

Janet and I plan to come out and volunteer to support the event - perhaps as corner workers or something. The 383 C5 beast is still under construction at East Coast Supercharging with an expected delivery date of late November!

Next season in HPDE Group 2 is going to ROCK!!!! I'm looking forward to continuing my learning process in a few Dodge Viper and Porsche sponsored events.

[wazzzup]

Awh MAN!!!! That thing sounds like it's going to be a BEAST!
If you want, Erica may need some help with registration in the morning, and Wooodsie with tech. We rented corner workers from BSR for the day so we don't have to worry about them.

COME ON GOOD PEOPLE! LETS GET THOSE REGISTRATIONS IN! [;)]

[kedvesh]

I'd like to go, but my schedule's been really crazy of late.

There's also a http://www.carguys.com HPDE the weekend before. May try to do both. But the challenge is to at least do the NVCC's event! [:D]

BTW, I've never driven Summit Point, only Road Atlanta, Sebring, Barber Motorsports Park, Little Talladega and VIR. Is there any video out there of the track I can download (in addition to this one - http://pixorave.com/videos/nccbmwcca_summit_pt.wmv )?

Later! [\:D/]

Chris

[wazzzup]

Good news folks! We picked up 4 or 5 new registrations last night at the meeting! I will update the list a little later. Keep those registrations coming in! [:D]

[wazzzup]

Registrations that have been recieved so far with payment for drivers:
NOVICE
George Kerns
Dan Kinney
Jeff Hubbart
Philip Squires
Ari Morin
Daniel Freeman
Phillip Somersall
Patrick Somersall (will be sharing car with Phillip)
Micheal Prevatt
James Harris
Charles Popenoe
Barry Reichenbaugh
Laurie Kistner
David Mullan
Paul Benish
Paul Moyer
Richard Freigang

INTERMEDIATE
Curtis Judge
Dennis Morin
James Anderson *
Hector Malpartida

ADVANCED
Joseph Yacobenas

INSTRUCTOR
Mike Sarver
Jim Beaupre
Jack McAfee
Mike Woods
Andrej Balanc
Ralph Watts
David Rankin
Miriam Schottland
Jim Roberts

Updated list as of 11/03/05

Ok folks! Spook is over, and we need to start getting these registrations in now!

[wazzzup]

I just got word that we WILL be having a pre-tech night on Monday November 14th at the service bays of KOONS! This will not be an all out shop night. We can use their lifts to go over what all needs to be checked and we will also be holding pre-tech inspections! [B-)] Sorry guys, no transmision, or clutch changes that night. Once again Joe Malo has helped us out! Thanks Joe! An e-mail will also be going out.

[kedvesh]

I just got word that we WILL be having a pre-tech night on Monday November 14th at the service bays of KOONS! This will not be an all out shop night. We can use their lifts to go over what all needs to be checked and we will also be holding pre-tech inspections! [B-)] Sorry guys, no transmision, or clutch changes that night. Once again Joe Malo has helped us out! Thanks Joe! An e-mail will also be going out.
Oil changes? Brake bleeds? [:-/]

[BlackStripes2000GT]

Ok, the superslacker (me) sent a check today, i had to pay $0.50 per stamp to get the date on the stamp and prove that i sent it in October [:D]

I can't wait..... TIME TO PLAY !!! [B-)]

[wazzzup]

Got it Hector!
Updated list on page 19. [:D]

[wazzzup]

[:D] BUMP! [:D]

[Patracer]

I was just on BSR web site looking at avaliable dates for the Accident Avoidance class and they list Nov 19th as a class date on the Jefferson Circut. Might this be a miss print or will we have a possible conflict?

[:-/]

Pat

[urtoslo]

That is probably a miss-print, but I'll check with Summit tomorrow.

[wazzzup]

I saw that too. [:-/]

[kedvesh]

Thankfully, things seem to have worked out and it looks like I can attend. [\:D/]

Mailed in my application today...from southern California. [8-}] (I'm on a business trip right now. They're talking about some--SHUDDER!--rain for tomorrow. [#-o] Just my luck. Come all the way out here and no sun.)

[LilRedCorvette]

Thankfully, things seem to have worked out and it looks like I can attend. [\:D/]

Mailed in my application today...from southern California. [8-}] (I'm on a business trip right now. They're talking about some (SHUDDER!) rain for tomorrow. [#-o] Just my luck. Come all the way out here and no sun.

[B-)]

Don't feel too bad, it rained here tonight too, with more on the way for tomorrow. Why is it every time I wash the '94, it rains almost immediately afterward? Just once I'd love my wash and detail effort to last more than 2 days.

The '89 is getting washed by Mother Nature in Koons' parking lot. She's on her fourth failed emissions test *rolleyes*

[urtoslo]

That is probably a miss-print, but I'll check with Summit tomorrow.


The Accident Avoidance class is being help on Shenandoah Circcuit on Nov 19th.

[wazzzup]

Cool! [B-)]

[Patracer]

Thanks for checking, now I can sign another son up for the acciedent advoidance class and have almost the whole family out there. [:D] [:))]

[wazzzup]

OK guys! Lets get those final few registrations in! [:)]

[CHJ]

Has a final schedule been set up yet. I need to know how early to get up on Saturday morning so that I can get there in time ????

[LilRedCorvette]

Has a final schedule been set up yet. I need to know how early to get up on Saturday morning so that I can get there in time ????

I believe George either has or was getting ready to mail those out. If I remember correctly, I'm pretty sure we gotta be there at 7AM [:O] [:((]

Needless to say I will be staying at the Roach Motel....ooooh I mean the Town House Motor Lodge....the night before.

[Black396]

Needless to say I will be staying at the Roach Motel....ooooh I mean the Town House Motor Lodge....the night before.

WIMP! [:p]






[:))] [:))]

[LilRedCorvette]

Needless to say I will be staying at the Roach Motel....ooooh I mean the Town House Motor Lodge....the night before.

WIMP! [:p]






[:))] [:))]

At least I'll be well rested and sleeping in a bed, not a tent [:D]

[wazzzup]

Curtis,

Be there at 7 AM. Schedules and packets are going out today. I'm a little behind. Sorry, I've been absolutely swamped this week.

Laurie,

You might be well rested, but a little poorer. [:p]

[janderson]

Needless to say I will be staying at the Roach Motel....ooooh I mean the Town House Motor Lodge....the night before.

Well I'll be sleeping in my nice warm bed and driving from Stephens City in the AM.
Hopefully I will not even see a deer on my way up there.
Takes me 20 - 30 minutes. [:D]
[:D] [:D] [:D] [:D] [:D] [:D] [:D] [:D] [:D] [:D] [:D] [:D] [:D] [:D]

[LilRedCorvette]

Curtis,

Be there at 7 AM. Schedules and packets are going out today. I'm a little behind. Sorry, I've been absolutely swamped this week.

Laurie,

You might be well rested, but a little poorer. [:p]

Not that much poorer, it ain't the Ritz you know...

Besides, the real reason for my poorness is the '89, not a hotel room. [:))]

You don't want tired people out on the track, either...

[JaxVette]

Man, you guys have got it made. I've got to leave the house at 4AM to be there at 7. Of course, I've got to stay awake in the right seat during the day Saturday!!! Or, maybe not!! - Jack -

[Black396]

At least I'll be well rested and sleeping in a bed, not a tent [:D]


It's getting just a bit chilly to sleep out in my tent (thank you very much).


Man, you guys have got it made. I've got to leave the house at 4AM to be there at 7. Of course, I've got to stay awake in the right seat during the day Saturday!!! Or, maybe not!! - Jack -



If I get up at 5:00 (my normal weekday time) I can get there on time with a stop for coffee and gas. [:D]

[wazzzup]

Look PIMP!,

I can leave the house at 5:30, stop for gas and coffee and be there at 7. [:p]

[z06racing]

HEY EVERYONE..

Just a note from ST LOUIS... I am out here at the NCCC meeting and they have HIGH SPEED internet in the rooms for $10 a day.... makes my dial up seem like a BLUE FLAME SIX! This is the 427 of internet! [:D]

Sounds like you are all gearing up for a good time sat......I just moved into the new house FINALLY even tho the builder is not totally done.. I am changing the locks and keeping back $3500- and would love to tell a judge why if they try to sue me..

BE safe next weekend....... Brian.....

[wazzzup]

You do the same Brian. Hope to see ya soon. [:)]

[Black396]

Hey George,

Do we have an students assigned yet or is Miriam working on that?

Any more signed up lately?

[wazzzup]

Yes, and yes. She has the list. If you wouldn't sc**w off in Maine for work and show up to the meeting you would know! [:D] [:p] [:))]

[wazzzup]

Registrations that have been recieved so far with payment for drivers:

NOVICE
George Kerns
Dan Kinney
Jeff Hubbart
Ari Morin
Phillip Somersall
Patrick Somersall (will be sharing car with Phillip)
Micheal Prevatt
Charles Popenoe
Barry Reichenbaugh
Laurie Kistner
David Mullan
Paul Benish
Paul Moyer
Richard Freigang
Richard Mars
Karen Priestner
Will Treillian

INTERMEDIATE
Curtis Judge
Dennis Morin
James Anderson *
Hector Malpartida
Sally Walter
Chris Stim
Stewart Fox
Leo Ciccarello

ADVANCED
Joseph Yacobenas

INSTRUCTOR
Mike Sarver
Jim Beaupre
Jack McAfee
Mike Woods
Andrej Balanc
Ralph Watts
David Rankin
Miriam Schottland
Jim Roberts
Jack Priestner
David Walter

Updated list as of 11/1605

I got a couple more today. I will update the list again tomorrow. [:)]

[Black396]

If you wouldn't sc**w off in Maine for work and show up to the meeting you would know! [:D] [:p] [:))]

[:))] HEY! Unlike SOME people that just supervise, some of us actually have to do some work. [:p]

Besides, Maine was actually pretty decent. More leaves and colors up there then down here. The only really bad part of the trip was the plane ride back.

[wazzzup]

Too damn cold up there! [:D]

[wazzzup]

List Updated. [:)]

[Black396]

Too damn cold up there! [:D]

WIMP

Actually it was pretty nice. It only got down to freezing at night once.

[kedvesh]

List Updated. [:)]
http://www.peachstateposse.com/forum/images/smiles/thumbsup.gif

[mufflerbearings]

George,

As I said, I will not be able to make it to the HPDE this weekend, sorry everyone. Hope that everyone has fun. (if i ever get unbusy, then i will try and make the christmas dinner-cruise that everyone is arguing about (mike - george - laurie) y'all make me laugh)

[wazzzup]

Phil,

I fowarded your request to Paul.

We still have some open slots people. [:D]

[BlackStripes2000GT]

Just in case someone was wondering : http://www.weather.com/activities/other/other/weather/tenday-details.html?locid=USWV0726&dayNum=4 [B-)]

[Black396]

Bring out the firesuits. They'll keep you warm! [:))] [:D]

[LilRedCorvette]

Bring out the firesuits. They'll keep you warm! [:))] [:D]

Fer sure! A high of 50 degrees?! Ack! I want summer back....

[wazzzup]

Suck it up you bunch of wimps! [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))]

[LilRedCorvette]

Suck it up you bunch of wimps! [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))]

[:((] [:(] [X-(] [:O] [/:)] [[-(] [=;]

[wazzzup]

I figured you'd be on my side being for NEW YORK! [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))]

[LilRedCorvette]

I figured you'd be on my side being for NEW YORK! [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))]

I left NY b/c it was TOO COLD! I can't take cold weather...so I won't take your side on this one, sorry! [:D]

[Black396]

Suck it up you bunch of wimps! [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))]


Hey! You were the one that was saying that Maine was too cold. I was just telling anyone that was concerned how the could keep from being chilly and do it in style. [:p]

[LilRedCorvette]

Suck it up you bunch of wimps! [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))] [:))]


Hey! You were the one that was saying that Maine was too cold. I was just telling anyone that was concerned how the could keep from being chilly and do it in style. [:p]

I like the way you think, Mike! [:))]

[CHJ]

Quit worrying about a little cooler temperature. I was at Watkins Glen two weeks ago, and it was 34 degrees on Saturday morning. [:(] Track takes a while to warm up but the car makes good horsepower with that cold dense air. 50 deg will be delightful. Whole lot rather it be 50 than 95 like some of the summer events I have run.

[Black396]

Quit worrying about a little cooler temperature. I was at Watkins Glen two weeks ago, and it was 34 degrees on Saturday morning. [:(] Track takes a while to warm up but the car makes good horsepower with that cold dense air. 50 deg will be delightful. Whole lot rather it be 50 than 95 like some of the summer events I have run.

ANY day on the track is a GOOD day! [:))] [B-)] {regardless of the weather, including snow}

Ralph, Dave and I can talk about that if anyone is interested. [:))]

[wazzzup]

You would talk about anything if someone was interested! [:))] [:))] [:p]

[JaxVette]

Hey Mike, remember VIR this past February? 25 degrees F on our first "on track" laps Saturday morning!!! Now that takes a few laps to get some heat in your tires!!! No overheated brakes that morning!!! - Jack -

[Black396]

Hey Mike, remember VIR this past February? 25 degrees F on our first "on track" laps Saturday morning!!! Now that takes a few laps to get some heat in your tires!!! No overheated brakes that morning!!! - Jack -

Absolutely! I thought I had icicles forming for a while there. [:))]




Hey Jack, have you gotten any further on deciding what you are going to do with your rebuild, crate or homemade?

[JaxVette]

I have about 3 "rebuild" scenarios in mind. Then of course I'm considering the Crate engine deal. And I also have that '97 low mileage LT1 sitting in the garage that I've been thinking about using in the '84. Of course on top of that, I've got to make up my mind on whether or not I'm going to buy a late model Z06 next year. In which case, I'll probably just put another cam in the '84, new tires and wheels and leave it at that.

But, as you can see, I don't know what the hell I'm going to do at this moment!!!

[wazzzup]

Registrations that have been recieved so far with payment for drivers:

NOVICE
George Kerns
Dan Kinney
Jeff Hubbart
Ari Morin
Phillip Somersall
Patrick Somersall (will be sharing car with Phillip)
Micheal Prevatt
Charles Popenoe
Barry Reichenbaugh
Laurie Kistner
David Mullan
Paul Moyer
Richard Freigang
Richard Mars
Karen Priestner
Will Treillian

INTERMEDIATE
Curtis Judge
Dennis Morin
James Anderson *
Hector Malpartida
Sally Walter
Chris Stim
Stewart Fox
Leo Ciccarello
Paul Benish

ADVANCED
Joseph Yacobenas

INSTRUCTOR
Mike Sarver
Jim Beaupre
Jack McAfee
Mike Woods
Andrej Balanc
Ralph Watts
David Rankin
Miriam Schottland
Jim Roberts
Jack Priestner
David Walter

Updated list as of 11/1605

I got a couple more today. I will update the list again tomorrow.

[jimk351c]

Wish I could of been there today :( Ralph (was there with the '67 Cougar) took some photos and video. It sounds like Barry (Lincoln) and Charles (M3) from our club had a terrific time! Thanks so much! Enjoy the photos:

http://www.tamos.net/~jimk/teamcougar/20051119/

I can't wait to come out to your spring event with my '70 cat!

Jim

[wazzzup]

We really enjoyed having your guys out there! We hope it will catch the attention of some more of your club members and they will come out to play also! Overall the day was great! Lots of track time for everyone even though we started to run out of daylight at the end.

I also wanted to thank all that helped to put this event on! A lot of people just don't realize how much effort an event like this takes to pull off. (Mike Sarver, Mike Woods, Adrej, Ralph, James, Miriam, and myself)

Now... Anyone that is looking through the pictures posted can see that we had an unfortunate incodent involving a couple of our club members. To this point it is not sure 100% what exactly happened. We are very fortunate and thank the good Lord that both of them walked away from this accident! Also for those that like to question our staff about why we are so strict on safety this is a reminder why! This is high speed stuff and is dangerous! Enough said on that subject.

I would also like to thank all the instructors that were out there also. Without you all these events would not happen.

[kedvesh]

Great time out there yesterday! Thanks to all who organized and ran it (to inlcude the corner workers.) [=D>]

Great pics by Jim (a.k.a., jimk351c) [:D]

Glad that there was nothing more serious than a really banged-up car. [;)] [O:)] It could have been sooo much worse.

Now to see how much I ate up my brake pads! [:p]

[jimk351c]

We hope it will catch the attention of some more of your club members and they will come out to play also!

We should talk, George. I think between our club, the classic mustang club, cobra club, etc. we should be able to get a nice showing of Classic machines out next Spring. Again, I'm hearing nothing but rave reviews from those that attended. Congratulations on an event that was obviously well run!

I'm glad to hear the folks in the Z06 made it out OK.

[LilRedCorvette]

Overall the day was great! Lots of track time for everyone even though we started to run out of daylight at the end.

I also wanted to thank all that helped to put this event on! A lot of people just don't realize how much effort an event like this takes to pull off. (Mike Sarver, Mike Woods, Adrej, Ralph, James, Miriam, and myself)

Now... Anyone that is looking through the pictures posted can see that we had an unfortunate incodent involving a couple of our club members. To this point it is not sure 100% what exactly happened. We are very fortunate and thank the good Lord that both of them walked away from this accident! Also for those that like to question our staff about why we are so strict on safety this is a reminder why! This is high speed stuff and is dangerous! Enough said on that subject.

I would also like to thank all the instructors that were out there also. Without you all these events would not happen.

I agree and would like to thank everyone involved for their work on this event. Had a great time and am totally exhausted today! Looking forward to the next one... [:)]

Now I'm gonna go take a nap [:))]

[z06racing]

Has anyone spoken to Woodsie or Paul? How are they feeling today? I am so glad nothing more happened, not that what they did was nothing....man, it goes to show ya.... anything can happen...

[wazzzup]

Brian,

I haven't talked to them today, but they seemed ok last night other that a little soreness and bruised feelings. I plan on calling them tomorrow to check up on them. I thought I would give them a day to relax. They took Paul's car over to Mike's house last night. Mike was a little shook up, but the paramedics were right there to keep an eye on him. Afterwards he took his car out on the track and came in with a big smile on his face if that is any indication. [;)]

We missed you out there. We got a couple of dates last night for next year's event and will be announcing them at the meeting on Tuesday night! We got the Main track and the Jeff. That's all I can say at this point! [:D] [:))] [:p]

[z06racing]

YEAH GEORGE I sure wish I couldve made it down... I am leaping over boxes and boxes in the new house, forgetting where the hell I put stuff...I know I will go out and buy something I need just to uncover it later at the bottom of a box!!! [:((]

Woodsie's grin answers my question. Guess ya gotta get back on that horse that threw ya...

I have a request in to the business manager of NCCC reagarding an incident form submittal. Am in touch with Andrej too.